Of Mixes, Etc.

[poppy]

Sorry for randomly jumping in, but I actually really like Meesh's Punnet square idea. You could use a randomizer to make sure results are truly random (and keep screenshots of the randomization in case there's any doubts or worries). And I think it would be pretty effective in limiting the number of mixes.

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Punnet squares are true to life, and we could always add in some random element or other besides the randomizer if we wanted. That's really up to the admins, though.

[Aries]

If we were using punnet squares it would be 100% for a mix if the parents were one feline and one canine, I made a little text punnet square below. This is assuming both feline and canine alleles are dominant, and are thus both expressed in the offspring, creating a mix. I honestly really like the idea of a breeding between a feline and a canine always resulting in a mix, as I don't think it would make sense otherwise. I really don't see how it would make any sense to only be able to conceive a mix on a certain day of the week. I think that the cost of a mix is enough to keep it in check.

C|C
F|FC|FC
F|FC|FC

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Possibly. XD It DID take a year for us to finally manage getting some.

[FLYNN •]

Well... something as complex as a species could always be determined by multiple genes?

BIO STUDENT, AWAY.
For example, all pure-breeds could be Mm for the species gene (that is, not mixed). MM is a lethal combination, so no offspring are produced, and mm allows the possibility of a mixed. Canines have the full genotype Mm Ct (t for type: essentially it's a null gene that doesn't affect the species, but it would be lethal if the offspring has two copies, tt), while felines are Mm Ft. If the offspring is Mm CF, circumstances in the tree during early development will determine whether a feline or canine is produced (eg, warmth produces felines, cold produces canines; brightness produces canines, shade produces felines.). Maybe later on a species change will be available for types with this genotype, or maybe they are more/less prone to diseases, or something.
So the genes could go:

[atrb=width,200,true][atrb=border,0,true][cs=3] Felines
Mm Ft	Mm CF	mm Ft
Mm FF	mm FF
[atrb=border,0,true][cs=3] Canines
Mm Ct	Mm CF	mm Ct
Mm CC	mm CC
[atrb=border,0,true][cs=3] Mixed
mm CF
[atrb=border,0,true][cs=3] Lethal
MM (any)	(any) tt

Anywho. Genes are awesome. Yes.

[Hazelstar]

Flynn.... Can you dumb it down a little, I'm a little confuzzled.... ; - ;

I do like the punnet square idea though :3

[Meesh]

/Taking AP Bio student next year AWAY

Okay, I kind of understand that. There's only a couple flaws I can see

Appearance right now isn't randomly decided, it's a 1/4 chance of being the mother's coat color 1/4 the father's, and 1/2 a mix of the two colors. Well, for mixed anyway. It might be random for purebreds though. (Aries, c'mere and give us a confirmation <3)

/puts on translator glasses for Hazel

Okay, this is what I know, it may not be be perfect

So, there's dominant genes (represented by a capital letter like A F G etc) and recessive genes (lowercase like a f g etc). So, the human has a jillion genes (I THINK 1800 but I could be completely wrong) but one for a specific trait.

Let's say the gene for a pea to be black is B and for it to be green is b. B is dominant over b, so BB and Bb would both be blackpeas. Only a pea with the gene bb could be green.

You can have multiple of these gene pairs for one trait. I don't know how to explain that, so let flynn do it XD

Time to plug in flynn's theory :3

Okay, so let's first plug in the first part. Mm
M is dominant. It means pure breed
m is recessive. It means this species -can- be a mixed breed. (not guaranteed)

Every single creature in the AC is Mm. That means if two of them breed,they can get either a MM Mm or mm, right?
Let's say the two parents breed, and get an MM. MM is lethal, which means the baby doesn't survive, which means no baby. So, 25% chance of no baby.
There's a 50% change of them getting an Mm. An Mm is a purebreed, so it'll be a canine or a feline (just imagine the square- see how there's two options for Mm?) (I'll get to the part about determining canine/feline soon.) Basically Mm = purebred

finally, mm means you can have a mixed. It's still not guaranteed though. (Though Flynn, I'd like to change that, since I think at least a 25% chance of there being a mixed is fair)

-\So, that's what the first part means. Now then, the CF

C = Canine, dominant
F = Feline, dominant
t = nothing, it's just a filler gene.

So, we're gonna pretend the Mm part doesn't exist right now. That was for the other gene.
Ct means canine
Ft means feline.

All canines in the AC get Ct and all felines get a Ft
Let's mix those. Imagine a canine and a feline breeding, that is Ct and Ft. Do your punnet square

Done it? You'll get either a Ct (canine) Ft (feline) ff (lethal, like the MM) ooor.... CF

TWO DOMINANT GENES?!?!?!? LE GASP?!?!


If you have a CF, let's combine it with the m's now. Only a mm CF would create a mixed. (Mm CF wouldn't work- the Mm means purebred, remember?)
(mm Ct or mm Ft wouldn't work either, because there's no genetic information in there for the opposite species)

Does that clear things up? :3

[Hazelstar]

YAAAAY! I understands now :3 Thank you Feeshy!

[Aries]

I'm still firm on my position of feline x canine always producing a mix. I'll go ahead and state my reasoning though so I don't look like a stubborn brat.

- Mixes are expensive. Very expensive. And even if you do breed your characters you aren't guaranteed a baby, you'd have to pay ANOTHER 80 exp for fertility. I don't know about you guys, but if I payed 80 exp for fertility and got a canine I would be pissed and rage quit.

- There is exactly two mixes onsite, and we've been open for nearly 2 years. The population of them isn't crazy.

- The population of them can't explode, as it's hard to get that much exp, and those who are mass posting to get a lot of exp will simply be disappointed when the shop prices go up because of them.

- With mixes already onsite it would be unfair to change the variables now. Especially after AFW's been alive for so long. It would cause more trouble than it's worth in my opinion.

Oh, and yes the coat is decided at like that for mixes, Meesh.

Now because both Meesh and I have shot changing this down, this isn't happening. You can still talk about it, but it's not changing so don't get your hopes up.

[Meesh]

Yeah, Aries kind of convinced me that a 100% mix thing is fair :3

But I do like discussing genetics o3o Flynn, you and I need to have a long conversation one day ^^

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I wasn't thinking about cost. I see your guys' point. XD I know I'd be upset.

[FLYNN •]

/late flynn is late
Meesh, you are a beautiful human being <3
(Unless you are not a human being, in which case you are a beautiful <insert noun of your choice> .)

I'm sorry I didn't clarify all that! I was going to but I had to run and just... geeeeenneeesss. Genetics. Alleles. Dominance. "Dad, are you genes?" "Yes, now we are a family again."

Whoops, yes I agree with Ree. _{I actually forgot we had to pay for breeding. /shot}

anyway thank-you I'm sorry for bumping this thread genes.

that last one just slipped out.

[Deleted]

You don't HAVE to pay for breeding, you just probably won't get anything...unless Alehue did pay for fertility when Arya and Nerah made Hershey.

[alehue]

Alehue did not pay for fertility when Hershey was born. Fertility gives a higher chance of multiples, from what I understand it's also partly which tree you choose.

[Deleted]

So you CAN get something for free, if you're lucky. Buying fertility just makes it a guarantee.